Ancient Names

I think I may have … hm. This is an informed guess, but it is just a guess, but I think we might be hitting upon the names the Ancients used for our various planes. I was wondering if people (especially the Samudrans in the audience) could advise?

Alsos: “The Grove” or a “Sacred Grove.” See further discussion here. Seems very likely to be Almachadta?

Teratourgeion: I’m not sure what this means, but it was used to refer to Luĉja. A translation would be helpful here.

Are there any other names for Samudra that anyone knows of?

Well, in terms of the Ancient language, those are both– attested terms, at any rate.

Your translation of ‘sacred grove’ for Alsos is accurate to our understanding, and– hmm. Makes me think of something the noöplankton return to again and again. They have mentioned a grove. One wonders.

As far as ‘teratourgeion’, I’d venture… miracle-works? monster factory? It’s hard to translate into one word that carries all of the correct connotations.

Why would the Ancient world have had words for the Beast and Almachadta? (And what was their word for Samudra? I’d offer myself as a guinea pig here if I could.)

Alsos had a secondary meaning of “sanctuary” when I discussed it with the Pearl who specialized in such things. Is there a similar meaning in ‘teratourgeion’?

“Miracle” and “monster” both make sense I think? Is it like our term “awe” means something terrible and something sublime at the same time?

And that … is an interesting point about why the ancients had such words. Was there a grove and a miracle-works on the unsundered world? Did our planes exist as aspects in that ancient world?

I’ll try to pin down Archie as a guinea pig once I figure out if there’s any value in casting the Rite.

Well, keep in mind we found an entire city under the ice. And we know Zosimos was out there doing… whatever he was doing. It’s not unreasonable to think a handful of other “ancients” might have survived whatever sundered the world and developed Old Words for new places before new words replaced them…? Alternatively, the Architect mentioned the planes were not unlike experiments, yes? Perhaps based on previously existing models or thought experiments. (thought experiments… heh wonder if that has a different connotation on Samudra)

Oh good point. Also can you imagine our current system being something like the third or fourth draft? I wonder if there were other models and what they looked like?

Though counterpoint: The stars themselves use the language of the ancients; that’s where I was called Salme tou Alsos. How and why would the constellations know newly-coined words.

Though shit, why are there commonalities at all. Hm unless the Duelist’s Mask was relying on the words available within the Mask itself.

“New Words”, in this case, being the language we currently use, as well as the names we know the planes by (ie Almachadta, Samudra). (It’s very strange that we know the names of our planes if you ever stop and think about it too hard)

As for the Duelist’s Mask itself… well, given the hundreds upon hundreds of years it spent observing your locales and conversing with its wielders, it’s be far more strange if it hadn’t picked up our language at some point.

Ah I meant “newly-coined terms in the language of the Ancients” not our language. If the constellation had just used my language I don’t think it’d be weird?

Though Light, I’m not actually sure how much the Mask and the constellation are in conversation with each other. I could maybe try to speak to it again?